21 – Inherited Websites Debate (the red-headed stepchildren of web design)

[00:00:00] What’s up y’all? Welcome to the Web Design Empire where we share stories and strategies to help you build your web design empire from a side gig. To multiple six, figs. I’m John and I’m joined with Kelly. We’re full-time freelance web designers who’ve escaped the real world, broke up with our jobs, our bosses, our cubicles, and our commutes over 15 years ago, and we haven’t looked back.
We’re also course creators, web design, business coaches. Check it out, web design store owners. Kelly owns Airbnbs. I’m a touring, professional musician. All of that to say we are. Constantly building our empires. Today’s episode is titled, adopted, inherited Redheaded Stepchildren Websites. Yay or nay.
Basically taking on websites you do not build for hosting. Yes. And management. But before we dive into that Kelly how’s, the week going, [00:01:00] oh man. I feel like we’re having similar weeks and it’s only Tuesday, but, I don’t remember January being such a. Such a headache. Like with I, I have a lot of just random, like tax stuff, bookkeeping.
We’re dealing with bookkeeping, software switches. They are, insurance stuff. There’s so many like new year stuff getting slammed down my throat that I’m not appreciating it, but it’s just stuff that must be done and I’m trying to make good decisions so that, the year goes well. We’ll see.
It’s like everyone gets excited for the new year, new possibilities, new whatever. And then your accountant calls you, or who knows? Or your bookkeeping service decides to shut down outta the blue. Oh, yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And then come and then rise from the dead three days later, and then come back the next day.
Oh man. So good times. But yeah, so we were talking about this topic. Adopted it inherited redhead stepchild and websites. [00:02:00] Yay. Renee, take on. Well, yeah, we realized, we called it, we both called them different things. John calls it adopted websites. I called them inherited websites. And then he is like, what?
They really are redheaded stepchild websites. So it, you know, we just threw all those in the title because I think everyone probably has their own name for these. But yeah. , Long story short websites you did not build, should you take them on as management projects, or maintenance plans, or, or not?
And of course the answer is, it depends, but we’re gonna talk about both sides and, red flags, green flags, things to look for and to be leery of. Yes. We had one of our coaching students ask us about, Hey, do you guys take on sites you didn’t build? And at artillery usually we do, but what we have them do is, hey, they want to host with us, they want us to manage their website, but they’re not ready to redesign it.
Right. That’s the thing. Right. Right. They’re not ready for a rebuild. We just need to be hosted somewhere. Which kind of is in a red flag [00:03:00] by itself, right? Like, well, why, what’s, what happened with your own host, right? Are you, are you too much, are you hitting them up too much? Who knows what?
But then they express their desire to, to come to our hosting. So we ask them for admin access so we can pop in and look around. And what our perfect scenario is for bringing someone on? Yeah. An easy one would be, . if it’s already in Divi, slam has to be in Divi. Has to be in, has to be in Divi. And only Divi, no other correct, no other page builder, plugin installed.
And it’s usually best if they’re smaller sites, like this is just me speaking. I just like them. Smaller, Smaller, Divi only less, less than, you know, 20 plugins would be ideal. Less than maybe less than 10. Yeah. Yep, yep, yep. Nothing I’ve never heard of in that plugin list would be Yes. Nothing I’ve never heard of.
We’re getting, if we’re getting super picky, the forms are done with gravity forms. Like that’s, that’s, oh, yeah, yeah. That would be, that would be perfect. That’s the dream. That’s, that would be a hell yes. [00:04:00] And I would take them on a heartbeat. However, that, that very rarely happens. Right. Very rarely. So,
what are the, the, the con, the, the red flags would definitely be, sites that aren’t in Divi, especially sites that are using some one-off theme that not only you’ve never heard of, was purchased, from theme forest or wherever mm-hmm. Several years ago. If it’s an unsupported theme’s mm-hmm.
That’s almost a, a hard pass or a, we must redesign this immediately kind of, , caution tape around that project. But yeah, I think that’s a big thing is what theme it’s in. And of course, what plugins are wrapped around that. If there are certain theme builders attached, like John and I can get by with an Elementor, situation if, if we must.
But if, if there’s WPA WP Bakery in there, that’s a, that’s a hard pass. And there was like an era of single themes being developed with [00:05:00] some, like their own version of WP Bakery baked in. Right. And then the theme becomes unsupported. And then WP Bakery is like, Hey, you need to buy a license for this now.
And so then, so then you’re telling the client, Hey, you need to buy a new license for not only the theme you bought, but also for WP Bakery. And then you’re, you’re praying to God that the new versions still work together. Still works, you know? Yeah. So, yeah, . My second one was funky plugins.
That means, that means WP Bakery or, or any other kind of funky plugin that’s outdated, hasn’t been tested with any decent version of WordPress, all that great stuff. But, but the biggest one for me is you didn’t build the site, and that’s always gonna be like. The thing, Hey, we didn’t build this website.
We don’t know every nook and cranny. We don’t know where some short code is hidden. Who knows where, right? So we always preface clients like, Hey look, if we decide to take a site on, Hey look, we can, we can [00:06:00] manage this site, but. Just know that we didn’t build it. We don’t, we don’t know it.
It could work for two more months or two more years, and so we’re, we really lay up on, I’m surprised you don’t. Do you have a, do you have a car analogy that you tell these clients? I don’t, but that wouldn’t Too hard. That wouldn’t be too hard. I’ve tried to come up, I’ve tried to come up with a good analogy for it because it is hard.
I mean, it’s like going to a logo designer with your crappy DIY logo, and you’re like, Hey, make this better. This is kind of what I want, but make it good. And it’s like they don’t wanna do that. Or like going to a chef with, some veggie burger and being like, make this taste like filet mignon.
Like, you can’t do that. It’s, you’re giving me a turd to polish. It’s still gonna be a polished turd. Uh, so that’s kind of the. Kind of an analogy. And I think that would probably help clients understand, but yeah, that’s the problem. They don’t understand, they don’t care what a theme is most, no.
In most cases, they don’t care what plugins they’re using. They don’t know what plugins they’re using. But yeah, to John’s point, there can be customizations done that we have [00:07:00] absolutely no way of. Of seeing or knowing about, unless slash until something goes wrong. I mean, you can look in the, the functions file or something and look for customizations there.
But other than that, unless you’re pouring over every single page, you’re just not gonna find all, like, like John said, the nooks and crannies of, of what could possibly go wrong or what even all is going on in the first place. But, but yeah, the simpler the site, the better to take on. , Another red flag is if there’s, a huge list of plugins and there’s 28 updates needed that, haven’t been done in the last. Five years, that Oh, yeah, I, no, I’d walk away.
So that’s, that’s another, that’s another big red flag. And I’d probably walk away from one, if there was multilingual support on it, I’d probably be like, Nope. Don’t wanna, don’t wanna touch it. Yeah. Don’t wanna worry about it. That’s tough. Don’t deal. Unless it’s like Google Translate, don’t want to deal with it.
So yeah, our company bought like 20 some sites from a guy last year who was retiring. And one of them, was a combo platter [00:08:00] of, not Divi at all, it was Elementor, but also installed was WP Bakery and Oh God. And. They come with this bundle.
So like if it had have been that site by itself, I’d have been like, no, you’re not even in Divi. Just, no. But it’s part of the bundle deal. So we take one last week and the rest of the sites were in Divi. Right. Or most of them, I. 80% of ’em were. So last week our support gal went through and sent out emails to every client that there’s probably maybe 12 to 15 of them that has like an outdated pro version of some plugin on their site saying, Hey, this is outdated.
You need to renew it. Otherwise it could be a security risk. We’re not gonna be responsible for that, whatever, whatever. And most of ’em come back and, and they give us an upgraded license. Cool. Great. Uh, well, this gal came back and said, I don’t think I need that WP Bakery anymore because I build all the site, I build all the pages in Elementor now.
So I log into this website and there’s like 80 pages. But in the menu on the live [00:09:00] site though, there’s only like 20 pages that you can get to in the menu, in various links. And so sure enough, all those pages she had built in Elementor, but she had all these other pages that weren’t even being used anymore that were built with WP Bakery.
And so she’s like, should, should I just delete this plugin? And I just told her, go to your website. I said, why don’t you just, you know, deactivate it. Go to your website and browse around and if everything looks good to you, then sure, go ahead and delete it. But we’re not, we’re not gonna be responsible for this.
We’re not responsible. So that’s that. That’s one recent story of, of one that I was just like, oh, fingers crossed. Hope this works. Yeah. I have a recent story as well. That’s basically the poster child for No on this.
On this inherited, uh, yay or nay. This was a, this was a big old nay. But yeah, this lovely older gentleman, and when I say older, I mean he’s past 80. He had reached out and [00:10:00] which, I love older people. Like I, you know, I could set and talk to the guy for hours, but, he, as you can imagine, isn’t super tech savvy, doesn’t really know what’s going on with his website.
He just knows he needs a new host because the person that was, working with him is no longer gonna work with him. And again, yeah, red flag, like why? And you kind of come to the assumption that, they have moved on or they are just not no longer hosting sites, whatever. So he was in the market and, okay, so.
So here’s the list of things going on, that I’ve, that I learned during our conversation while I’m just clicking around on a site. Okay. So first of all, I, I, I have a huge soft spot in my heart for these older type of clients. ’cause I don’t want them to get taken advantage of by someone else.
And I, I truly want to just help them like it, it’s generally it takes more time than I’m getting paid. Like, you know, it’s not worth it by any means, but I just don’t, I don’t wanna leave them hanging. I don’t want [00:11:00] to, I don’t want them to go get screwed over by someone else. So he, first, he asked for a discount, because he’s on Medicare, so that was kind of a red flag.
Okay. He’s a realtor, so he had a massive IDX integration going on, with a plugin that I’d never heard of. I know there’s a couple well-known ones that I’m familiar with, but this one I hadn’t heard of. So that was a red flag. It was. Everything was in WB WP Bakery, which is usually my only deal breaker.
You know, in a situation where I’m like trying to be helpful, that’s just, I’m like, that’s it, that’s the end. Um, he said was, oh, it’s only seven years old. I don’t wanna redo it. And I’m like, oh my God. Seven years old is a really old website. And
so, yeah, I had to let this guy down and I tried to point him in the right direction. I said, look, go to, you know, the sites. I never recommend, uh, Fiverr, go to Upwork and specifically request someone with. WP Bakery expertise. I was like, just find someone like that, that was the best I could do. [00:12:00] He’s like, you don’t know anyone that can help me.
And I’m like, no. Nobody wants to. No, I don’t. No, nobody wants to. That is an antiquated setup that I want nothing to do with. And I don’t know, I literally don’t know anyone who happily uses it. So that was one that I actually had to say no to. But why, why would we take on sites that don’t meet our perfect ideal situation?
We do have good reasons. And of course that perfect situation with, with Divi, fully updated plugins up to date and only, you know, only 10 plugins, and gravity forms. That never that I, okay, I shouldn’t say never, never say never, but nine times outta 10, that’s not gonna be the, the scenario. And so when it, when it is a gray area, you know, where it doesn’t meet the, the absolutely not WP Bakery, uh, situation, but it doesn’t meet the perfect situation.
Why would we take on like, where’s the threshold? Why, why do you take on [00:13:00] sites ? Yeah. Well I think a big thing and expectations and pricing have to align. Like they have to align and be pretty clear from the get go. Even if you take on a site that isn’t quite that perfect scenario, it’s being honest with the client and being like, Hey, look, we didn’t build this.
We normally don’t even use this framework or use these plugins. Here’s what we do use, we’ll bring you on and we, we will, we’ll do our best that we can with this. But you know, to log into your site and make edits is gonna take us longer. To do and you’re gonna pay more than someone else who’s on Divi.
And usually we can give them some kind of, Hey, here’s a conversion price that we can do. Yeah. We’ll just convert your site as is over the right, over to Divi. No, no design process. Just take the look. We’re just gonna, we’ll make, get 90 percentish the same look, , and move it to this theme that we like to use, that we can, you know, work efficiently in.
Yeah. And then, and then when you do redesign your site down the road, it’s already in Divi. You’re gonna pay this at some point anyway. Like , if you come with us, like you’re [00:14:00] gonna, yeah, this theme’s gonna stop working at some point and or it’s just gonna be, or we’re gonna drop you, we’re gonna, we’re gonna get to a level where we’re like, Hey, we only wanna work on Divi sites now.
That use the Divi builder and not oxygen or whatever builder you decided break dance or who knows what that you decided to install. So there’s that expectations and then pricing too. Like the sites we bought from the guy, he was charging way probably. In some examples, less than half than what we charge.
And it was kind of a, a lift to get these folks to be like, yeah, this is what you’re paying now and the service you’re getting is better. But it doesn’t come with any content edits or anything like that. So, and then obviously the things that push you over the, what are the things that make you go, ah, I know I shouldn’t probably do this, but, you know, but I will.
Well, recurring revenue, right? Recurring revenue is the thing. You know, That, that makes you say yes. Like no matter what, especially me I have a team, so I don’t even [00:15:00] deal with these sites, so I’m just like, yes, put ’em on.
We’ll take it. We’ll take it. You wouldn’t take this last guy though, right? I mean, come on. Uh, no. No, probably not. Honestly, I didn’t even get to pricing with him. I think that would’ve been a deal breaker on his end anyway, but, yeah. I do have one client. It’s a pair of writers and they are grandmas.
And, they still use the theme that we got from theme force like a decade ago. They still use it. They’re very low maintenance. They have like a little blogger integration, remember blogger, all that stuff. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. And, this is so bad. This is so bad. I, I actually.
I don’t even charge them. I built their site for $500 and I just hosted it and I still just host it and I don’t charge ’em. And then honestly, the kicker is like, you don’t charge them anything for those? I don’t charge any. Well, it gets, it gets, it gets worse. Uh oh. Their domain renew this month. It’s 14.95 and I’m just gonna.
You’re just gonna buy it. I’m just gonna eat it. [00:16:00] I’m just gonna eat it. And I don’t know. And, but they’ve always been so sweet and so kind. They always send me a handwritten note anytime I do something for them, which is like maybe once a year if that they actually, one of ’em actually stopped by my house with two outfits for my kids, you know?
Oh. , So it, you know, it’s, you, you can. Y there are those soft spots, or, or here’s another example. I’m curious, what you think about this. So my Pilates instructor who , his website, is still like in that blogger layout, like sidebars on both sides.
Oh my gosh. Okay. And the thin header, yeah. You remember the look, , and he wants to redo the site. And so I said, Hey man, I’ll just help you out. I’ll just help you out. You just gotta jump on our hosting. And if, as long as it’s a small site, four or six pages, get some great media, spend your money on great photos.
Maybe a background video, but I’ll. , I’m, I’m in. And you know what? We can work out a trade or something. We’ll figure out something. Not really worried about it. Okay, cool. And so I sent him the strategy [00:17:00] questionnaire. Hey, it hasn’t filled it out yet. I sent to him like two months ago and he’ll, we talk about it every now and then.
Well, his buddy owns a gym in town. And he called me. So, so the Pils instructor told him, Hey, if you need a new website, you gotta talk to my buddy John. Okay? Oh no. Oh no. And so that guy called me, he’ll do it for free and he’s got, this guy went out on his own and set up a WordPress, bought hosting from DreamHost that he paid for three years.
Um. Bought, bought Blocky, which is like a, a page building Oh yeah. Thing. And, and some template that is like, there’s a bunch of lower ip, some text on there, fake testimonies, all kinds of stuff. And he’s just like, I just need, I just need to be able to show events. Just need. I just about the show events.
Just events and, and I sign up for a Stripe account. I want folks to be able to pay me on a monthly subscription. Just payments. That’s [00:18:00] it. That’s only payments. That’s all I need in.
You know, and he doesn’t want a new site, and he has hosting for three years at Dream Host and three years, what else? I guess that’s, that’s one of the red flags we hadn’t pointed out yet. If they have hosting already for the next decade, that’s probably not a good fit for your recurring revenue goals.
Yeah, honestly, I, I told ’em straight up. I’m like, Hey, look, I’m, I’m not pushing you to get a new site done with artillery, that would be the best thing for you to do, but it’s gonna be the, the iest thing. Yeah, there’s probably some third party gym app that, that does all this that you want.
True. That’s not, that’s not even in work place. There’s probably 20 gym apps that do that and it’s probably $49 a month. All that to say is that I’m not always trying to push folks to the most expensive thing with us. We do understand it , and care. So that, that reminded me of when you’re talking to the old guy, like, Hey, look, go here. These folks might be able to help.
You just don’t want to, just don’t wanna [00:19:00] tell ’em. I’m like, Nope. Can’t help you. Sorry. You know, don’t wanna do that. Some other pros on saying yes to someone coming into your service, even though you didn’t build the site. Obviously we said recurring revenue. Yeah. And then , the only other two that I had was, it’s a new client with a potential redesign down the road, and it’s also a new client that if you treat them right, they’re gonna spread the word of mouth for you.
It’s a folks that they know. It’s the referrals. Yes. Referral. Definitely. And I think, I think that’s a big one, especially for this particular, Ooh, that’s another like. Recurring revenue, rr recurring referrals. Is that a thing? I think that’s the course we need to make is recurring referrals. I think that’s where it’s at and that’s what we’ve been good at, at getting, and that’s what’s made our businesses super successful.
And, anyway, we’re a big, big referral fans, but, huge. But in this particular scenario, . Referrals are, I think, extra special because generally you’re kind of playing the superhero here. Like they’re not coming to you saying, I need a new host, unless there’s some sort of emergency or urgency on their end.
Like , [00:20:00] their dev has ghosted them or is no longer doing the work or whatever. So , if you are able to help you look like this huge superhero in their eyes, even though you’re just, you know, doing what you usually do. But yeah, that’s a massive, opportunity , for referrals , just doing their, your normal customer service stuff that is typically above and beyond to people in this situation.
Yeah. And I’d say , when you’re talking with someone who’s in the scenario, put yourself in their shoes. They’re probably not very tech savvy. They don’t know much. All they know is they need a website online and they need someone to manage it. They don’t want to get hacked.
They have no idea. Right. And so I would suggest when you do talk to them. To be, be confident and, that confidence can reassure them like, okay, even though your site isn’t where I normally would like it, we can work with it. And if yeah, things go awry, no big deal, we’re gonna have to address it.
We’ll, we’ll, we’ll, we’ll convert your site at that time. And then once you’re in our platform, [00:21:00] it’s. Smooth sailing easy. Yeah. Yeah. And I was going through my, list of sites, just trying to remember, which ones I took on, , as hosting clients that I didn’t build.
And I had more than I thought. Like if I had to guess, I would’ve guessed like five to 10. But I think it was close to double that. And yeah, the ones that we’re already and Divi. Were just such, such slam dunks. And then the ones that are kind of headaches. , Are the ones that are still on , these old themes that, again, I just do my best to, to manage.
And, you’ve already mentioned, and I think the overarching theme , of this particular topic is being upfront and honest and straightforward with the clients and setting those expectations of, Hey, , we’ll take this on, but. Yeah, letting them know, uh, obviously the costs involved, that it’s gonna take more time to update because it’s in, this unfamiliar territory and that this theme will eventually likely go bye-bye.
And you’re gonna be in a situation where you have to do a conversion or a redesign. But as long as they [00:22:00] get it and know that , that’s the situation, , then yeah, , it’s still worth that, that recurring revenue and referrals, that recurring revenue and, and future, future redesigns.
And the worst normally doesn’t happen. So like , when we brought in these 20 some sites, the form builder the guy used was formidable forms, which I’d never heard of. Oh man. I just worked with that for the first time, like a few weeks ago. It’s wild. So for middle forms. , So initially I thought, okay, no big deal.
We’ll buy these sites. And then, I mean, most websites have what, two or three forms on them at most. Yeah. , Which most of them did, A couple of ’em had like 20 forms, like, uh oh. But, and so I thought, no big deal. We’ll just convert these over to gravity forms. No big deal. You know, but then the formidable forms just kept working and it’s like, you know what, this is fine.
It’s fine. Slides are running, they’re fine. Most of them aren’t hitting up support. ’cause most, most clients there’s no major overhauling being done. They’re updating someone left their staff and they update that. Well, that’s easy enough to do [00:23:00] no matter what builder you’re using.
Right? So usually , the whole , well what if some integration stops working or whatever. Normally it doesn’t happen. Normally it’s all fine and , I’m trying to think of an example where we had to tell someone. Hey, we have to rebuild your website now because it’s broken. And I can’t think of one because most of them redesign it before that old theme breaks anyway.
Yeah. So yeah, i’ve warned them. I’ve warned them. Right. And I even, , , there was one site we had where I warmed them for three years. I’d send ’em a message every year, like, Hey, this is coming.
I’d keep. Saving some money for marketing budget, for redesign. I mean, we’re fortunate we’re on borrowed time here. Yes, we are. We are on borrowed time. Uh, so yeah, so I, yeah, just clear communication with the client is Yeah. Is what you want. And like I said before, nail down those expectations and, , in the end, it’s gonna be, it’s gonna be fine. Would I do it again? Would I buy another 20 some sites? Yeah, I would now, I’d probably buy more now [00:24:00] because. I, I’ve realized, oh, it wasn’t a, a train wreck. It wasn’t, it wasn’t so bad, right? , We had some on there that had like a smart slider, pro three, you know, like, you know, remember that one?
I mean, so there were so many slider plugins. . Next gen, next Gen Gallery, next gen. It was kind of like walking down memory lane, getting in these sites and like, and like, oh yeah, it was Next Gen. Okay, I remember that. , I think the question that people might be wondering that you have not answered yet, were all of those keepers, did, did anyone say, Hey, you guys are charging too much.
I’ll find my own host and walk away. Yes, three of ’em did. I know that’s not the topic of this podcast, but I’m sure that’s a question three of ’em did. Three of ’em did. And to be clear, , it was like, , how do we, and maybe this is, ends up being its own podcast in itself, but it’s like, , okay, this guy wants to sell us 25 websites.
How do we pay him? Do we buy them and then we reach out to the clients and hope they like us. Like, no, we’re not gonna do that. Initially he wanted a lump sum [00:25:00] and we’re like, no. How about you reach out to your clients, tell them that you’re retiring, introduce them to us.
Tell them, here’s the new cost per month, and then get their confirmation. They wanna switch, and then , those sites will pay you x amount per site for it. Yeah, that’s, and initially, he didn’t like how much per site we’re gonna give him. So he said, how about you give me this much per site?
I said, well, I’ll take the Divi ones for that much. And then the, the non Divi ones, you can just go sell somewhere else. Maybe someone else will give you that. So in the end he’s like, no, it’s okay. I’ll just, we’ll just do the price that you said. Okay, great. So, so then he does that, he reaches out to all these clients and they all say, yep, great.
We give them all two free months of hosting , to help kind of ease the blow , of the higher price. , Ours is 50, our lowest is 59. That’s what we all got them, $59 a month. Some of them were around 44, 49. So for them it wasn’t that bad.
Some were under $30 a month. Oh, okay. Because his patching service was separate. So he’d [00:26:00] offer a hosting by itself. But if you wanted plugin updates, that was extra, don’t do that. Why would you wanna host a site that you’re not gonna keep the plugins up to date?
You’re just asking for it. You’re asking for it. If you do that, don’t do that. Like it’s always together. Hosting and maintenance. They’re not separate. They’re together. One package. So anyway, even through all that, we still had three of the clients that were like, you know, I, I sent out their bill.
We give clients three months and then once that third month is , we tell ’em you haven’t paid the last three months. If you don’t pay next month, we’re taking the site down. And so I had to send that email to three clients and they said, we’re just going to go elsewhere.
Yeah. And then one other, one other one is the guy and he said, man, $59. We’re just a little nonprofit, you know, and so I talked to Jake and I was like, Jake, I’m just gonna ask him what can you do?
And just roll with that. Yeah. I have a, I have a few of those as well that I’m like, you know what? It’s fine. You’re good. I got you. Hopefully all other clients don’t watch this and be [00:27:00] like, oh, this is, I know. I know. If we just be the squeaky wheel. They’ll, they’ll finally come and not pay our bill. They’ll finally come to us and be like, well, how, well you tell me what you think it’s worth, I guess.
No, it’s a situational thing. Yeah. Oh man. Today’s sponsor of the episode is Surprise, surprise, break Into Web. Break, B-R-E-A-K break into web.com. Start or scale a self-employed web design business and lifestyle you love. Or sign up for coaching at breakintoweb.com and get to multi six figs. Like Kelly and I has done.
Any other thoughts on this episode before we wrap up? I feel like we already wrapped it up. I think I’m good. Awesome. Yeah, likewise. All right, y’all. Well thanks. Yeah. Maybe for tuning in. Go ahead. I was just gonna say maybe we do do a podcast on that entire business endeavor of taking on [00:28:00] new ones. I think that’d be a good topic.
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